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If you look to the article below Tony's, you will find Christi's rebuttal information on the toxicity of the herbicide RoundUp!

Saturday, September 23, 2006 at Siri-Gian Kaur’s home.

 

Tony Valdez, Rio Arriba County Extension Agent

685-4523, tonvalde@nmsu.edu. 

You can contact him to come analyze your place!

 

 

Fruit and Other Trees &

Winterizing Your Garden

 

Oh!  My!  God!

 

You can’t believe the wealth of information that Tony carries around in his head and that he has contact with!  I guess after earning a master’s degree and dealing with these things for a number of years as an Extension Agent, you collect a lot of knowledge!

 

To begin with, he brought us hand outs.  You can find most of them online through the New Mexico State University’s site at http://cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h, plus anything about gardening in this area that you could possibly want to know!   What an amazing variety of information is available just at the click of a computer key!

 

And here are the specific handouts that he brought!

 

http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h/h-321.html

Apple Orchard Management

 

http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h/H-327.pdf

Pruning the Home Orchard

 

http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h/h-319.html

Fertilization Programs for Apple Orchards

 

And here are some that he sent by e-mail after the meeting!

 

http://extension.usu.edu/htm/publications/publication=6143

About the Codling Moth and controling it.  These are the apple and pear worms.

 

http://www.sirigian.com//2004HomeOrchardPestManagementGuide.pdf

A 24 page very informative document describing all the pest your fruit trees may have, and how to get rid of them!

 

http://www.sirigian.com//Fruit_Tree_Spray_Guide_2005.pdf

A 94 page document from Washington State University Extension Service that tells you how to protect your commercial fruit trees.

 

 

In addition, he introduced us to the online store, Peaceful Valley in CA that sells everything you need for organic gardening—seeds, nursery stock, weed and pest control, fertilizers, tools, supplies and materials, and more!  They are at http://www.groworganic.com/ default.html

 

So, here is a synopsis of what he told us:

 

WINTERIZING YOUR GARDEN:

 

This is the time to amend your soil to be ready for the spring.  Apply:

  • Compost with microbes to break down the nutrients in your compost pile and then put this organic material in your garden.  (Kartar Singh/Gurbani sells microbes at $10 to break down your compost and he will actually give a class in compost and drip irrigation in March!  His number is 753-4516.)
  • Amend your soil now with any organic material or other ingredients that you need.  You may put in alfalfa or cottonseed meal, straw (be sure it doesn’t have weed seeds in it—available at the Country Farm Supply store in Espanola), and so on.  Let it rot over the winter.  You may want to put in other nutrients as well such as nitrogen, phosphorus, or potassium.
  • You can plant nitrogen fixing legumes that take nitrogen out of the air and put it into the soil, such as winter vetch, hairy vetch, Austrian winter peas, etc.  You can also plant suitable grain grasses such as tritacale, winter wheat or winter rye.  Then in the very early spring, turn these into the soil and let them decay for a few weeks before you plant your “real” crops of vegetables or flowers.  (This is called “green compost” and is used by the farmer across from Walmart.)  You can scatter the seeds on the soil and then rake them in, or use any method you want to get the seeds in the soil.  If you use the grain grasses, you might want to add a little nitrogen.

 

WINTER WATERING:

 

Throughout the winter, keep your garden wet.  If it doesn’t rain or snow, be sure to water your garden so that the microbes in your soil continue to compost your organic material (they go dormant if they are not kept wet).  And keep your plants watered so that they don’t become stressed.  This is important to do year round, but don’t forget this in the winter.

 

Also, be sure to not freeze your drip irrigation system.  Usually you turn your system off in the winter so that the lines do not break with the water freezing.  So, figure out how to turn your system on for a warm day’s watering in the winter, and then turn it off and clear the lines before it freezes at night.

 

ANNUALS and PERENNIALS:

 

Annuals come up from seed, and need to be reseeded yearly, or buy young plants that a nursery has grown from seeds each year.  Annual flowers are usually the bright colored ones that flower the whole blooming season.  Sometimes, we also refer to perennials that freeze in our particular climate, such as tomatoes as annuals.  “Annual” means Yearly.

 

Perennials either come up from their roots each year if they have died back in the winter, or they remain whole in the garden year after year.  They usually flower just for a certain amount of time during the growing season.  “Per-ennial” means Through the Years.

 

WEEDS: 

 

Any disturbed soil gives rise to annual weeds.  To keep control them:

  • Use mulch such as bark, landscape cloth, newspaper, cardboard, plastic, etc.
  • Crowd them out by planting perennials.
  • Pull them as soon as they come up, before they make seeds that would re-seed your garden.
  • Use a weed burner (flame thrower) that singes the outer layer so they perish.
  • Pull them by hand or use any kind of hoe.
  • Apply herbicides such as Roundup which are plant hormones in minute amounts.  They are protease inhibitors (enzymes that inhibit breakdown of proteins so the plant can’t get protein for its nutrients).  This has to get to the photosynthesis areas of the plant.  They do not affect trees, etc.
  • Check out the Peaceful Valley site for other remedies at http://www.groworganic.com/ default.html.

 

GRASSHOPPERS:

 

Grasshoppers thrive in dry years, and so produce lots of eggs for the year following a drought as well.  Moisture in wet years supports their predators such as fungi, viruses, protozoa, stink bugs, etc.  So, we probably won’t have as many grasshoppers next year!

 

If you want to control them by treating your soil or with Nolo Bait, it would be best if your neighbors did this, too because grasshopper migrate.  (Satya Kaur’s—Balwant problem.)

 

There are lots of other ways to deal with them as well, such as using a weed eater on them, burning with a weed burner, vacuuming them, swatting them with a fly swatter (Sat Mohine Kaur’s favorite), picking them by hand and squashing them, keep poultry that will eat them (Guru Prem Kaur’s choice), sweep netting them over an area with a butterfly net and then use them as fishing bait (Tony’s method). 

 

 

TREES

 

RECOMMENDATONS FOR TREES TO PLANT:

 

Shallow Water Table (Water is available within a few feet under the surface.  Occurs near the river)—Willows.  Cottonwood:  It is good to prune the dead wood out of Cottonwoods that could fall and damage buildings, and balance them so that they don’t fall over.  Train the trees into a balanced, natural shape when they are young, and don’t “top” them—take the tops out.

High Water Table (Water is deep under the surface.  You don’t want the roots to rot)—Rocky Mtn. Juniper, Douglas fir, white fir, Austrian pine.

Both High and Low Water Tables—Blue spruce.

 

Stay away from invasive species such as:

  • Chinese elm—beetles, little seeds and take lots of water.
  • Salt cedar—they put salt on top of the ground so that other plants won’t grow there, they burn easily and then take fire to the cottonwoods nearby, use huge amounts of water such as hundreds of gallons per day, they multiply quickly.  To get rid of Salt cedar, you can dig down about 2’ and then chop the roots out; cut them down to stumps and then apply or paint on glyphosphate (or other commercial preparation made for this); apply salt to the stumps, but then you have to leach the salt out of the soil so that other plants can grow there.

 

TRANSPLANTING AND WATERING:

 

Remember that the roots of a tree are approximately as deep as the tree is tall, and as wide as the width of the branches. 

 

You can plant trees and other perennials year round, when the soil can be worked, not frozen.  Fall is a very good time to transplant trees.  But the spring is not as good due to the stress of heat and wind.  Be sure to water transplanted trees well for the first year.

 

When watering:

  • Apply water out to the edge of the tree width were the “feeder roots” mostly are located.  Closer in to the trunk are more the larger “transporter roots” that don’t take up the water from the soil, but transport it to the tree.
  • Drip lines that water constantly are better than letting ground water dry out, but they are hard to gauge.
  • Mechanisms on drip irrigation are precise and you can fine tune them.
  • In a flood plane:
    • There may be enough water in the soil to carry your trees over the winter without watering them.
    • Some fruit trees, such as apples can stand 2 weeks of flooding.
    • Most others, long flooding starves the roots of oxygen, so they die.

 

PRUNING, especially FRUIT TREES:  see the handout http://www.cahe.nmsu.edu/pubs/_h/H-327.pdf for complete information!

 

  • For the home decorative trees, prune them into an architecturally pleasing shape.  It doesn’t matter how big or small you prune the tree to.  Although there are very specific instructions on how to train a new fruit tree on the handout.  It advises removing the main vertical leader at a certain height and developing “scaffolding” branches that will be strong. You want sturdy wood to bear the fruit so that the branches don’t break under the fruit’s weight as would happen if the fruit grew at the end of thin branches.  You can thin the branches out so that they can produce new fruit bearing wood and allow sunlight into the tree. 
  • Take out diseased, dead, touching and crossing branches, also suckers or “watersprouts,” which are quick growing limbs that grow quite straight up.  Take off these suckers and the ones that grow at ground level all year long.
  • Develop and keep wide “crotches” (the angle of the joint where a smaller limb sprouts off a larger branch) on your tree because they are sturdier than narrow ones.  This is because in a narrow crotch, the cells bunch against each other like a knot and can weaken the joint.  Inside the “V” of this kind of small joint you will see wrinkly looking bark which is a result of the bunching cells.  Prune off smaller—less than 45 degree angled crotches—called “drop crotch.”
  • To prune, cut a limb close to the branch that it is attached to.  You will see a “collar” or “crunch point” that rings the smaller limb that is at its joint with the larger branch.  Cut the smaller limb about ¼” on the far of this collar.  If you cut it further out, then that distance of limb from the cut collar to the end of the cut limb will die off, thus inviting insect and disease infestation. 
  • Sometimes you need to change the direction of some leader branches to develop smaller branches into a network or “scaffold” of stronger branches.  To do this, you can cut the larger branch back to the joint, making the cut at a 45 degree angle so that it would look like the line of the branch rounds up to the smaller limb.
  • Best time to prune is when the trees are dormant, and after a specified number of “chill units”—days of freezing temperature for each kind of tree.  January and February are good months to prune, before the sap starts to rise.  Although light pruning can be done year round.  It is also best to prune when the leaves have fallen off the tree so that you can very easily see what you are doing when you are making the cuts, and to view the whole architectural appearance of the tree.

 

FRUITING:

  • Early frost here often kills the fruit tree flowers, so they can’t make fruit.
  • If you got lots of fruit in one year, the tree doesn’t put out so many buds for the next year, so you get less fruit.

 

PESTS:

 

  • You can pick dropped fruit off the ground because worms from those apples can go into the ground and come up next year.  But worms can also hide in the dirt, bark and other places.
  • With just one tree, you can “bag” apples with special bags that you get at the store to keep the Codling moths off the fruit where they lay their eggs.  They then hatch into the larva stage, which are those worms.
  • There are lots of kinds of organic sprays, several available from Peace Valley http://www.groworganic.com/ default.html such as Entrust.  There are also mating disruption traps that you can hang in the tree at certain times.
  • Granulosus virus infects fruit trees.
  • Soft bodied insects such as aphids can be controlled with insecticidal soap or even dish soap—either synthetic or organic.  It is the surfactant that breaks the surface tension of water that serves to kill the insects by drying them out.  Add 3 T. of soap to one quart of water and spray the plant.  Do this every week until the pests are gone.

 FERTILIZER:

 

·       If your soil is sandy, add potassium.  If soil is clay, don’t add potassium.

·       Get your soil tested for what fertilizer you need, and request recommendations for organic fertilizers for your garden.

·       You can use alfalfa pellets that are used for rabbit food for fertilizer.

 

SOIL TESTING:

 

Most likely different parts of your property have different attributes, such as soil types, nutrients, organic material, etc.  You can get your soil tested with recommendations for specific fertilizer application at the SWAT lab for $17.50 per soil sample.  Their website is http://swatlab.nmsu.edu.

 

“SOUTHWEST” INJURY:

 

This is a gash-like injury to the trunk of a fruit tree, or perhaps the bark falls entirely off the southwest side of the trunk.  This happens because temperatures in our spring time vary wildly.  In the night it can freeze, while the day time can be quite hot. 

 

So, in the spring when the sap is rising in the trunk due to the warm weather in the day, the cellular “capillaries” are fully open.  But when the sap freezes at night, the icy liquid breaks the cell walls, causing injury and the wound can appear to “bleed”.  This happens on the southwest side of the tree because when the afternoon sun shines on the trunk from this angle, the trunk becomes quite hot on that side.  The problem is the great temperature difference from day to night in this location affects the trunk.  This damage can kill the tree.

 

A remedy is to shield the trunk on the southwest side of the tree from the heat of the very hot afternoon sun coming from the southwest so that its temperature stays more uniform—that is cooler, and therefore the trunk doesn’t experience such extreme temperature variations.  Several ways to do this are:

 

  • Whitewash the southwest side of the trunk with a thinned down coat of white latex paint that reflects the sun.
  • Wrap white paper or other reflective material on that side of the tree trunk.
  • Put up some kind of shade on that side—perhaps some structure, or an evergreen bush, or whatever for shade.

 

AND HERE ARE THINGS THAT SEVA SIMRAN SIRI SINGH PICKED UP THAT ARE NOT IN MY TEXT ABOVE!

 

White wash bottom of trees or put something reflective around the bottom of them.  Especially on smooth bark trees which are more susceptible to cold snaps in spring.  ie: peach, cherry, pear....    Don't trim that side of the tree (sw) as the branches will help to protect the trunk.

Siri Gian kaur's little pine trees have "pine tip moth"    Keep them (trees) as miniature trees.  Will probably not get big.

Fall is the best time to put manure, compost, etc. on garden.  So the bacteria etc. will have time to go into the ground.  Mix with regular dirt.  

Winter crops...till into soil in spring.  Plow under one month before planting.   We have until Oct.15 to plant?  Winter legumes, rye, hairy vetch

Tomatoes---"curly top virus"---upper leaves turn upside down and turn purple.

Ground juniper stays green year round.

Lady bugs kill aphids

Granulosis---sprayable method  (what the hell is this all about)

Can plant trees year-round.  Best in early fall...until you can't till soil.

Grass: blue-gamma (pretty)  Buffalo grass does well with low water. Fescue very resilient.

 

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  RoundUp (glyphosphate) Herbicide Toxicity
 
Satnam SiriGian
 
I have been following your gardening club notes as have been unable to attend.
I was surprised to read the recommendation to use Roundup. Please do some research on the this. it was outlawed for use by the city of Santa Fe for use on weeds fby city employees, not personal use, several years ago. We had a very green city council then.It is extremely dangerous for all who come in contact with Please see just a few articles below: (you will need to scroll down)
 
Thanks  Christi (Wahe Guru Kaur's mom)
 
Google: Roundup Herbicide Toxicity

http://www.holisticmed.com/ge/roundup.html

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http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/2005-May/021571.html

Animal however, do not utilize such an enzyme and it is now thought that Roundup's toxicity is attributable to the surfactant component polyoxyethyleneamine ...

http://www.prn2.usm.my/mainsite/bulletin/sun/1997/sun8.html

Why Use Such Highly Toxic Chemical Elements as Glyphosate Found in Roundup? Organic Methods are as Effective & Less Hazardous.

http://www.guarding-our-earth.com/aggrand/roundup.htm

From time to time I get things like this because of our RoundUp toxicity site. I work hard to offer only facts, nothing which Monsanto could use in a law ...

http://www.safe2use.com/ca-ipm/02-02-03.htm

They believed that POEA was the cause of Roundup's toxicity.66 More recent reviews of poisoning incidents have found similar symptoms, as well as lung ...

http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Roundup-Glyphosate-Factsheet-Cox.htm

Digging further, Van Royen found something alarming: another additive called Cosmo-Flux 411 F was being added to increase Roundup's toxicity. ...

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=669

Microtox bacterium and protozoa had similar sensitivities towards Roundup toxicity (ie IC50 from 23.5 to 29.5 mg AE/l). In contrast, microalgae and ...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12821000&dopt=Abstract

To: gentech@tribe.ping.de; Subject: Roundup toxicity ... Jaan Suurkula wrote: >Considering that Roundup is very toxic to microorganisms, how does it affect ...

http://www.gene.ch/gentech/1997/Jun/msg00014.html

 

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Tony Valdez, Rio Arriba Co. Agent on Siri-Gian’s Yard 6/1/07

Tony’s words are in italic.

 

 

ASPEN TREE in front by bay window, about 30 ft. tall:

Sick!  Yellow leaves last year, this year many branches are dying.  Needs iron and soil acidifier.

Many small branches have a couple of leaves at the end of the branches, but is missing leaves for the next several inches.  Needs zinc.

I used Green Light liquid Iron & Soil Acidifier that I got from Lowe’s, mixed it according to directions and put on 20 gallons of the mixture.

Or use Miracle Grow at 4 lbs. per inch of diameter of the tree, mixed with water according to directions—that is 2 lbs. in the spring and 2 lbs. in the fall.

Do this for a year or two.  Then if it gets better, cut back the dead wood.

 

All of my plants that have yellow leaves need iron, such as forsythia, roses, day lilies, etc.

 

NITROGENT DEFICIENCY is diagnosed by old leaves, not new leaves turning yellow.

 

CHERRY TREE by the carport, quite large.

Last year and this year its’ leaves are very droopy, and it lost it leaves in the fall way ahead of the others.  This year, many leaves are turning yellow and dropping.

Looks “droughty.”  It has one drip line close to the trunk, put a second larger drip line further from the tree, that matches the perimeter of the leaf crown.  This is where the small water gathering roots are.  Needs lots more water.

 

RED BUD, small on the perimeter of the circular lawn in the front.

Last year it did really poorly.  This year it is better, but many of the leaves are still small, and some branches have malformed leaves.

Also “droughty.”  Put in a second, larger circle of a drip line to it.  This is an east coast tree that needs more water than other plants here do.

 

BUSH in the same area, also another like it by the east field.  It is tall!

What is it?

This is probably the grown up wild cherry root stock that a good variety cherry had been drafted onto.  But now that better tree had died out, and the root stock has taken over as a bush.  It does have small fruit on it.

 

PONDEROSA PINE “shrubs” under the peach and apricot trees and on the “peninsula.”

Really sickly looking, spare needles, old dusty looking.

They are planted in the wrong place under tall trees.  In fact, Ponderosa, if left to grow to their natural height are giant trees.  They were here when I arrived in this house.

Their problem is that they are infected by the “Pine Tip Moth.”  This is a very tiny, slender brown moth that lays its eggs in the tips of the pine branches.  When the larvae hatch, they feed on the plant’s new growth at the tip of the branches, killing all new growth!  Either use Ortho Systemic Insect Killer—you mix it in water and feed it to the roots once a month or spray Sevin poison on the tree every other week.

These plants only have the old needles on them now because it is not producing new ones.  I can also use “Home Pest Control” on them that I inherited from the former owners.

 

GUTTER—I can put a gutter along the side of my carport to catch rain water and direct water the nearby droughty cherry tree, lawn, etc.!

 

GRASSES—I have some very steep, eroding hillsides.  I am looking for things to hold the dirt.  I got 25 small wild roses that Marshall will plant on one hillside.  But the height of the roses is too great to go on the hillside that borders the road because they would obscure that road.  So, I am looking for grasses to put there.  Last year I bought a lot of a special mixture to do that from Plants of the SouthWest and sowed it.  This spring, I got a lot of creeping red fescue from the Country Farm Store in Espanola and Marshall sowed and watered it. 

 

There is grass growing there now, but Tony says that is an invasive annual grass called Short Downy Broome.  It dies back about now, becoming a fire hazard, and the roots die as well so then they don’t hold the soil.  It is about a foot tall and its graceful seed heads are turning reddish now.

On the top of one of these hillsides (peninsula) is a very tall, beautiful grass called Needle and Thread because it looks like that!

I need to plant perennial matting grasses that “sod-up” and  that are drought resistant.  Some that would work are:

Western Wheat Grass

Slender Stream Bank Wheat Grass

Blue Gamma

Galleta

South West Smooth Broome

Bottle Brush Squirrel Tail

The tall grass whose seeds are space wide to appear like polka dots in space is called Indian Rice Grass

And I could use a mixture of all the above.

 

Use about 2 to 3 lbs. of seed for the whole hillside—which is a heavy sowing.  For flat agricultural land, use about 1 lb. per acre.

Granite Seeds out of Utah is a good, trustworthy source of fresh grass seed.  Online at www.graniteseed.com , they have a whole section on erosion control products.

 

TAMARISK/SALT CEDAR—very invasive tree that is covering my “bosque” area. 

I have had the small trees cut down before, but they keep coming back.  I saw small bunches of these young attractive stems from new trees selling at Cristal Casa for $25 per bunch!  But they are taking over, and I will have no usable land left there if I don’t get rid of them.

Spray the leaves with Round-Up every couple of months, a few times per year.

 

REPLACING FRUIT TREES.

Don’t replace a diseased stone fruit tree (peach, plum, etc.) with another stone fruit tree.  The soil pathogens from the old diseased one may attack the new tree due to their similarities.  Instead replace it with a “pomme” type fruit tree, such as an apple or a pear.

And conversely, don’t replace a diseased pomme tree with a new pomme tree.  Instead plant a new stone fruit tree.

 

PRUNING some shrubs.

 

Forsythia—don’t chop the branch anywhere.  Cut at the “drop crotch” where one stem meets the main branch, or cut the stem back to the ground. 

 

Lilac—take out the older, larger trunks to give space for the new ones to grow.  Cut them at ground level.  If you always do this, you will never have to trim the tops for height.  Then you can also take off the bottom few feet of leaves and smaller stems to show the beauty of those stems!  Although you can also prune lilacs into hedges.  If you don’t prune your lilacs they will make smaller and fewer flowers.

 

Juniper bushes—prune some large branches at ground level.  Best to not chop their branches to make a hedge.

 

 

I have a small, very happy WHITE FIR TREE in the south east corner of my yard, next to a small Blue Spruce!

 

I have a LOCUST tree that never blooms because it is a male!

 

The things that I thought were lots of goat’s head grasses, that produce prolific demonic balls of stickers are called SAND BURS. 

GOATS’ HEADS actually come on a ground creeping plant that start growing during the summer.  They have seed heads that break apart to seeds that actually look like goat heads.

 

For GOPHER CONTROL, he prefers bait (poison).  If you see where they have dug up a pile of dirt, poke around that area of land with a screw diver to feel for a hollow tunnel.  Put your bait in there and then cover it up so that no sunlight shows in.  If they see sunlight, they will cover that area and not get the bait.  Once they have eaten all the goodies in an area, they will move on.

 

KOCHIA is an invasive weed that blends in.  Seva Simran Siri Singh described the mature plant as Christmas tree shaped.

 

You can plant SQUASH and MELON seeds inside not so that you plant them after the squash bugs disappear.  Put out the new plants the last week in June or the first week in July!

 

 

SOME CONTACTS for State and County Extension Agents and Specialists:

 

Steve Gulden at Alcalde to get on their mailing list.  They have a big open house and demonstration day in August.

 

Master Gardeners are extension agents and specialists.

Pat Torres, Santa Fe 471-4711

Carlos Valdez, Los Alamos 662-2656.  They have lots of workshops and a demo garden.

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